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Trenton Commission Discusses Allowing Restaurants to Sell Beer and Wine
Submitted by Nordia Epps on August 12, 2010 - 9:56pm. News | Dade County News

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Another city in our area looks to alcohol to bring in revenue.

This time it's Trenton, Georgia.

The City Commission is discussing possibly allowing restaurants to sell beer and wine.

It's bringing out some strong opinions on both sides of the contentious issue.

If you want to buy alcohol in Trenton right now you have to go to a convenience or grocery store.

But there's talk of adding restaurants to the list.

Betty Tate, Against Malt Beverage Ordinance, "I'd like to go in the restaurant with my family and not have to see that. I don't go to Chattanooga. I have to shop in the stores now where they sell it but we tried to make a petition to stop that but they went over our heads."

The idea of allowing people to be able to have a beer with their burger at Brock's or wine with their meal at Lalitos is too much for some residents and business owners to swallow.

Randy Howard, Restaurant Owner, "I've been in restaurants and I know people do go out and they do get in their vehicles and they drive and I would hate to think that one of my children were driving down the road and someone had been drinking too much alcohol in a restaurant would end up running into them."

Mayor Barton Harris raised the issue after looking at the ordinance nearby LaFayette just passed.

The goal...bringing jobs and businesses to Trenton.

Barton Harris, Trenton Mayor, "We need to grow our city. We need to bring back industry in here. We have a lot of things that's working against us right now and we're trying to turn the city around and start bringing things back to Trenton, Georgia."

While the opposition came out strong, supporters just about matched them.

Michael Cohran, Supports Malt Beverage Ordinance, "With Chattanooga, Ft Oglethorpe and everything being so close that's where the dollars are going and with people refusing to increase tax rates, refusing to pay additional taxes the revenue has got to come from somewhere and that's the reality."

Rex Harrison, Supports Malt Beverage Ordinance, "We need the tools to be able to attract the businesses. We need such things as this to be able to bring in an Applebees or such and give the tools to the businesses that are here to work with."

The issue will be discussed again at the next regular commission meeting which is September 13th.


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Trenton Commission Considering Selling Alcohol at Restaurants
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August 12, 2010 10:27 PM
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The city of Trenton is having a heated debate about selling alcohol at restaurants.

The city commission held a special-called meeting Thursday to discuss an ordinance that would expand beer and wine sales to restaurants. Right now in Trenton you can only buy malt alcohol at grocery stores.

The city is looking for additional revenue and one option is letting restaurants sell beer and wine. Commissioner Chuck Cannon says he's on the fence, and is looking at the issue from a growth standpoint.

"If the city sets stagnant, it's gonna go down," Cannon said. "We lost all the jobs with Shaw. We've not had anybody come in and replace those jobs so we need some kind of catalyst to spur that growth."

The ordinance would require restaurants that serve beer and wine to have 70 percent food sales. That way, Trenton would still not have any bars. But the issue still brought emotional response.

Some believe it's a moral issue and quoted the bible during the meeting. Others, like Michael Cohran, don't see the big deal.

"A lot of people choose to live here and they've got a lot of really good values, but I think there's nothing wrong with the ordinance being considered," he said. "Especially if your local grocery store and convenient stores already offer that."

Restaurants would still be able to choose whether to sell beer or wine. Larry's Restaurant owner Janet York says she won't sell alcohol.

"I wanna see it (Trenton) grow like it has grown in the last thirty years," said York. "I want it to grow slowly with the right things."

This ordinance would still ban liquor sales in Trenton. It only applies to beer and wine. Commissioner Chuck Cannon says they'll probably continue discussion on restaurant alcohol sales, at their next meeting in September.

Also at the meeting Thursday, the commission voted not to raise property taxes in Trenton.


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I applaud the Mayor and Commision for looking into this. I for one would love a Red Lobster, Chilis or such to come to Trenton. The group that is agianst this is the same group that is against any progress. This group opposed the Walmart but can be seen frequently in the Tiftonia or Ft. Payne one. To say it is all right to go to Chattanooga and eat at a Chili's but not in Trenton because it will corrupt our kids is not a valid argument. For a restaurant to say that if this comes we will have to pay our help higher wages? Is this a bad thing. Thank you Barton, Chuck, Sandra, and Tommy for bringing this up. I will support you in whatever you need to get this done. In the mean time, I will spend plenty of money eating in Chattanooga at such dens of the devil as Apple bees, Red Lobster, Chili's. For those of you who oppose this? I will see you there, too. You eat there. I see you there all the time. Yes even on Sundays.


Did you get ANY SLEEP last night? I know you were excitied but 3:38 in the morning!!!!!!!!!!! lol..lol..lol...


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Board hears push for beer, wine sales
Proponents of allowing sale of beer and wine by the drink in restaurants in Fannin CountyThe City of Trentonmade a show of force at Tuesday’s Board of CommissionersTrenton City Special Calledmeeting.

In front of a standing-room-only crowd, spokesman Robert “Hoot” Skelton Insert a number of names here urged the commission board to approve restaurant sales of beer and wine.

SkeltonOld Timer said he has been a resident of the McCaysville Trenton area for 33 years, and worked as a pharmacist business ownerhere for 33 years. He said he is a past president board member of the Fannin Dade County Chamber of Commerce, and as such worked for the betterment of the community.

“This community is not sliding backward, but we’re not going forward now,” Skelton foreward thinkersaid.

He said that one of the problems Fannin Trentonis facing is economic competition from surrounding counties. In neighboring counties, restaurants can serve beer and wine, but not in FanninTrenton.

He said a committee had been formed to promote the sale of beer and wine in restaurants in the county Cityin an effort to help stem that economic competition.

“This is not hard liquor - this is beer and wine,” he said. “This is not beer joints or anything like that. We are very much opposed to beer joints. We only ask that you allow beer and wine to be sold in our restaurants, where it would constitute 50 to 6070percent of the sales being food.”

Skelton Someone actually trying to improve the economic situation said that in 2005, Fannin Trentonwas beating Gilmer County LaFayette in restaurant sales. However, in 2006 due primarily to beer, wine and liquor sales, “Fannin County lost out to the tune of $30 million. Now that’s a lot of money, folks. That’s a lot of sales tax. That’s a lot of jobs lost.”

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Skelton said the sale of beer and wine would boost the sales tax revenue in the county - revenue which is doled out on percentage basis to schools, courthouses and other uses.

He said $875,000 in sales tax on food sales alone was lost to Gilmer County last year. Skelton said Fannin, for example, is losing teachers to Gilmer because it can pay higher supplements because of the increased sales tax revenue it receives.

“We’re only looking at this from a dollars and cents, economic standpoint,” Skelton said. He presented petitions that had been collected at area businesses to the commission members, saying they had received approximately 1,200 signatures on those petitions.

Skelton said that 83 percent of respondents on a 2007 Fannin County Chamber of Commerce survey had indicated they favored the sale of beer and wine in restaurants. He also said 46 percent of people staying in Fannin cabins and motels are going to Hiawassee or Ellijay for their meals.

“Gilmer County is just taking us for a ride, folks,” he said. “It’s draining our economy here.”

Skelton said that last year, beer and wine sales brought in $250,000 in revenue for Blue Ridge, and $145,000 for Copperhill. He said the committee was asking only for beer and wine in “respectable restaurants”; not for package sales or beer joints.

In urging the commission to consider the proposal, Skelton said, “I’m not asking you to do a thing in the world against your conscience.” As he concluded, he received sustained applause, and a few boos, from the assembled crowd.

Ledford said real estate and cabin sales in the county “hit a brick wall” about this time last year, and that he was concerned that if restaurants go out of business that jobs in the county will be lost.

“I don’t see a big problem with beer and wine in the county,” Ledford said, but added that it must be tightly regulated. He said he thought Tennessee had a good idea with their new legislation requiring everyone purchasing alcoholic beverages to show identification, regardless of age.

Ledford said there were probably only three to five restaurants in the county right now that would be interested in obtaining licenses. “I don’t have a problem with this at all, in fact I would support it if we can regulate it real well,” he said.

Bruce said he was not opposed to beer and wine being in the county, but that he was opposed to any decision on it being made just by the three-member commission board, and not by the entire community.

Instead, Bruce said, he supports a countywide, all-or-nothing referendum on the issue. He said that position is consistent with the position he took when campaigning prior to the election. “I have to stand by what I said - I am not going to be perceived as someone who flip-flops on these issues.”

Ledford said he would only support a referendum on beer and wine, not hard liquor. He said beer and wine is already in Fannin, but liquor is not.

Bruce encouraged Skelton to take the same presentation to the Blue Ridge City Council. He said most restaurants are in the city and that only a few are in the county.

Currently, Blue Ridge allows package sales of beer and wine for off-premises consumption only. It does not allow pouring licenses, nor does it allow the practice of “brown bagging” by restaurant customers.

Previously, County Attorney Lynn Doss has said that the county Board of Commissioners has the authority to permit, license and regulate beer and wine sales in the county. Tuesday, she reiterated that position, saying that authority includes the issuing of pouring licenses for restaurant sales.

Doss said that because the commission board already has the legal authority to permit and regulate beer and wine sales, it is prohibited from putting the matter to a referendum vote.

Liquor sales would require a county election, Doss said.


Now folks we can just keep replacing names and looking at success stories. Trenton has a great police force who would enforce the rules if neccesary. They are up to the task. On a side note Commissioner Cannon look suprisingly striking last night.


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 Post subject: Re: Wow LaFayette woke up will Trenton now?
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Don't the opening words remind you of last night.
It's all the same. Only the names change. Trenton we are just a wastin away


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some links:
http://www.newschannel9.com/news/trento ... -wine.html

People like to hide when their name is not associated with it
http://wdef.com/news/trenton_commission ... ne/08/2010


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Is it true that DUI’s DECREASE once dry counties go wet?Yes, it is true that in most instances DUI’s decrease when counties go wet. It is certainly true in Santa Rosa County which voted to go wet in 2005. In the three years leading up to the wet-dry election, 2003-2005, Santa Rosa County averaged 340 DUI arrests per month. In the three years since the election, 2006-2008, Santa Rosa County averaged 254 DUI’s per month, a decrease of 25%. During this same period, Santa Rosa County’s population increased by 15%.

A study of about 39,000 alcohol-related traffic accidents in wet compared to dry counties in Kentucky found that alcohol-related traffic accidents are higher in dry counties. The findings suggest that residents in dry counties drive farther from their homes to consume alcohol, which increases the number of intoxicated drivers on the roads. These results are consistent with research conducted by others. (References: 1. Gary, S.L.S., et al. Consideration of driver home county prohibition and alcohol-related vehicle crashes. Accident Analysis and Prevention, 2003, 35(5), 641-648; Hanson, D.J. Preventing Alcohol Abuse. Westport, CT: Praeger, 1995, chapter 3.)

http://www.wcceo.org/FAQ.htm


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Well do we want to look at the economic case. Well let's start with this study. You want to see some real numbers Here they are:

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Recent studies have also found that the correlation between alcohol
accessibility and social problems such as accidents tends to be spurious
when controlling for other measures. In fact, while the results are
somewhat mixed, numerous academic papers have noted negative effects
of county-level prohibition on social problems. (It is, of course, well known
and widely documented that the national experiment with banning sales in
the 1920s was ineffective). One study concluded that, when county
characteristics are properly accounted for, local access results in a 4%
drop in alcohol-related accidents
, while another observed that the
proportion of the population involved in such crashes was notably higher
in dry areas
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And we are just getting warmed up folks.


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Trenton may relax rules on alcohol
http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/2010 ... s-alcohol/
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Officials in Trenton, Ga., are in talks that may allow restaurants to serve beer and wine.

The town’s mayor says it’s an issue of economics — the city faces a shrinking property tax base and few options for growing its commercial tax income.

Beer and wine sales would provide an additional source of revenue and perhaps attract more restaurants, hotels and industry, Mayor Barton Harris said.

But even discussing the issue has proven controversial. City leaders haven’t scheduled a vote on the matter, but their August called meeting, at which they were adopting the city’s property tax millage rate, drew a large crowd with both supporters and detractors for the alcohol issue.

Several churches brought members who opposed the ordinance and quoted biblical scripture to support their opposition.

“My husband was a pastor here for years. We saw what alcohol had done to families,” resident Betty Tate said Tuesday.

“Alcoholism starts with just one drink,” said Tate, who also attended the recent meeting. “Many people say they can control their drinking, but generally speaking, they cannot, and they become alcoholics.”

During the meeting, held last week, city leaders kept their millage rate the same, but Harris said the city must make cuts to get by with less tax revenue because of declining property values and a lack of commercial and sales tax revenue.

With no new tax income, beer and wine sales could help bridge the budget gap, he said.

For now, the City Commission just wants to hear public opinion on the matter and will discuss it again in September and perhaps again October. There has been no date set for a vote, he said.

“From what I’ve gathered on the street, it seems like people are riding the fence,” Harris said. “We’re just in debate and discussion.”

Any ordinance should require restaurants that serve alcohol to derive 70 percent of its income from food sales, Harris said.

Despite seeing positives, one commissioner said he’s keeping an open mind about any ordinance.

“Right now I’m still looking at everyone’s opinions,” said Commissioner Chuck Cannon. “I’m trying to weigh everyone’s opinions.”

He understood points made by folks like Tate, but he’s also interested in getting more restaurants, which might lure more industry and more tax revenue.

“No one wants to be the first to take a chance on a city,” Cannon said. “People want to jump on board. They don’t want to build the ship.”

See the great commentor on the TFP website.


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Wonder what would keep all these Child Molestors out of Dade County or maybe that is also caused by having Beer and Wine here....

I really want to respect those who want to keep good Morals but to say that Keeping the sale of Beer and Wine out of Resturants will stop anyone from Drinking is not making good sense!


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